Here is my frame that I built in class (June 2007) and it turned out great. It handles the long descents here in the Rockies with confidince. Stable as a rock at 50 plus mph. I am setting up shop here and hope to be up and running by the first of the year. Look for "Victoria Cycles" some time after that, when I have enough product to have my web site running. Thanks again for all your help there at UBI, you have helped me to make my dream a reality.